Rasharkin John Elder Marriages

John Elder

Partly matched — 1886 certain; 1842 and 1912 open — This queue is partly matched. Elder-5907 matches the original 12 May 1886 John Elder/Annie Patterson marriage. The 1912 grocer/postmaster remains compatible with Elder-5907. The distinct 1842 John/Peggy marriage remains unresolved, with older Elder-7230 and Elder-4387 as weak candidates. No source proves the 1842 groom to be Elder-5907’s father. The 1886 register explicitly names father John Elder, farmer; that father’s profile identity is unknown.

Record fields: Name John Elder; birthplace unknown. Birth date remains unknown unless explicitly stated in the record facts below. This queue is partly matched. Elder-5907 matches the original 12 May 1886 John Elder/Annie Patterson marriage. The 1912 grocer/postmaster remains compatible with Elder-5907. The distinct 1842 John/Peggy marriage remains unresolved, with older Elder-7230 and Elder-4387 as weak candidates. No source proves the 1842 groom to be Elder-5907’s father. The 1886 register explicitly names father John Elder, farmer; that father’s profile identity is unknown.

A reproduced Second Portglenone Presbyterian marriage list records John Elder, full-age bachelor of Rasharkin, marrying Annie Patterson, aged 20, on 12 May 1886. John's father is recorded as John Elder, farmer; Annie's father as David Patterson, farmer. Second Portglenone Presbyterian civil marriage 1886

A reproduced Second Portglenone Presbyterian marriage list records John Elder of Gortrechy marrying Peggy Stuart of Killycuggin on 7 April 1842. The witnesses were James Ray and James Stuart. RootsChat, Elder, Murdoch & McMeekin Families

The 1912 Belfast and Ulster Directory lists John Elder, junior, as a grocer and postmaster among the inhabitants of Rasharkin. In the neighbourhood section it separately lists James Elder and James Elder, junior at Ballydonnelly. 1912 Belfast and Ulster Directory, Rasharkin

Compatible WikiTree candidates

• Elder-5907 — Current public profile compared; Elder-5907 is an exact match for the 1886 event: its live biography cites the marriage at Second Portglenone on 12 May 1886 of John Elder, grocer of Rasharkin, father John, farmer, to Annie Patterson, aged 20, father David, farmer. It also gives the 1901 Carnfinton family. This strongly supports continuity with the Rasharkin grocer and postmaster in 1912. The 1842 John/Peggy marriage belongs to a separate older subject. Elder-7230, born about 1818 in the local Robert/Sarah family, and Elder-4387, born about 1811 and died before 1859 at Ballymoney, remain compatible older candidates. No proof identifies the 1842 groom as Elder-5907's father. Profile birth 1861-00-00, death 0000-00-00; qualifiers retained in the review.
• Elder-7230 — Current public profile compared; Elder-5907 is an exact match for the 1886 event: its live biography cites the marriage at Second Portglenone on 12 May 1886 of John Elder, grocer of Rasharkin, father John, farmer, to Annie Patterson, aged 20, father David, farmer. It also gives the 1901 Carnfinton family. This strongly supports continuity with the Rasharkin grocer and postmaster in 1912. The 1842 John/Peggy marriage belongs to a separate older subject. Elder-7230, born about 1818 in the local Robert/Sarah family, and Elder-4387, born about 1811 and died before 1859 at Ballymoney, remain compatible older candidates. No proof identifies the 1842 groom as Elder-5907's father. Profile birth 1818-00-00, death 1899-00-00; qualifiers retained in the review.
• Elder-4387 — Current public profile compared; Elder-5907 is an exact match for the 1886 event: its live biography cites the marriage at Second Portglenone on 12 May 1886 of John Elder, grocer of Rasharkin, father John, farmer, to Annie Patterson, aged 20, father David, farmer. It also gives the 1901 Carnfinton family. This strongly supports continuity with the Rasharkin grocer and postmaster in 1912. The 1842 John/Peggy marriage belongs to a separate older subject. Elder-7230, born about 1818 in the local Robert/Sarah family, and Elder-4387, born about 1811 and died before 1859 at Ballymoney, remain compatible older candidates. No proof identifies the 1842 groom as Elder-5907's father. Profile birth 1811-00-00, death 1859-00-00; qualifiers retained in the review.

Next identity test: Inspect the original 1842 marriage and records identifying the 1886 father John. Preserve all three finding-specific dispositions.

== Biography ==

A reproduced Second Portglenone Presbyterian marriage list records John Elder, full-age bachelor of Rasharkin, marrying Annie Patterson, aged 20, on 12 May 1886. John's father is recorded as John Elder, farmer; Annie's father as David Patterson, farmer.<ref>Second Portglenone Presbyterian civil marriage 1886; https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10833/5951328.pdf; printed page 53; PDF page 1; entry 86. Original register or Form A inspected on 30 September 2026; source-specific image and entry references supplied. Profile identities and cross-record continuity remain qualified where stated.</ref>

A reproduced Second Portglenone Presbyterian marriage list records John Elder of Gortrechy marrying Peggy Stuart of Killycuggin on 7 April 1842. The witnesses were James Ray and James Stuart.<ref>RootsChat, Elder, Murdoch & McMeekin Families; https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=214109.0; . It establishes an earlier Elder household in the same local area and supplies names for future church and civil-record tracing, but it does not identify John as an ancestor of Robert Elder; Robert's 1871 marriage names his father as Nathaniel Elder. The source is a secondary transcription and the original register remains to be inspected.</ref>

The 1912 Belfast and Ulster Directory lists John Elder, junior, as a grocer and postmaster among the inhabitants of Rasharkin. In the neighbourhood section it separately lists James Elder and James Elder, junior at Ballydonnelly.<ref>1912 Belfast and Ulster Directory, Rasharkin; https://lennonwylie.co.uk/PT191214.htm; . They add useful identity clues for separating the later Elder households, but the directory does not identify either man as Robert Elder's son or brother. The source is a directory, not a parentage record.</ref>

== Research Notes ==

This queue is partly matched. Elder-5907 matches the original 12 May 1886 John Elder/Annie Patterson marriage. The 1912 grocer/postmaster remains compatible with Elder-5907. The distinct 1842 John/Peggy marriage remains unresolved, with older Elder-7230 and Elder-4387 as weak candidates. No source proves the 1842 groom to be Elder-5907’s father. The 1886 register explicitly names father John Elder, farmer; that father’s profile identity is unknown.

Possible profile identities: [[Elder-5907]], [[Elder-7230]], [[Elder-4387]].

Next research: Inspect the original 1842 marriage and records identifying the 1886 father John. Preserve all three finding-specific dispositions.

== Sources ==

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Annie Patterson

HOLD — compatible profile linked — The inspected 1886 register proves Annie Patterson age 20, daughter of David Patterson farmer, marrying grocer John Elder (Elder-5907 exact event match). Family-filtered search recovers Patterson-32389 Anne Jane (baptism-derived 1860, Ballyculter, father David miner) and Patterson-14390 Annie 1858 (unsourced Ontario tree, father David): retain both as weak candidates, with reported ages, father occupations and locality differences explicit. Those differences alone do not prove incompatible life courses.

Record fields: Name Annie Patterson; birthplace unknown. Birth date remains unknown unless explicitly stated in the record facts below. The inspected 1886 register proves Annie Patterson age 20, daughter of David Patterson farmer, marrying grocer John Elder (Elder-5907 exact event match). Family-filtered search recovers Patterson-32389 Anne Jane (baptism-derived 1860, Ballyculter, father David miner) and Patterson-14390 Annie 1858 (unsourced Ontario tree, father David): retain both as weak candidates, with reported ages, father occupations and locality differences explicit. Those differences alone do not prove incompatible life courses.

A reproduced Second Portglenone Presbyterian marriage list records John Elder, full-age bachelor of Rasharkin, marrying Annie Patterson, aged 20, on 12 May 1886. John's father is recorded as John Elder, farmer; Annie's father as David Patterson, farmer. Second Portglenone Presbyterian civil marriage 1886

Identified family in this record: spouse: Elder-5907

Compatible WikiTree candidates

• Patterson-32389 — The inspected 1886 register proves Annie Patterson age 20, daughter of David Patterson farmer, marrying grocer John Elder (Elder-5907 exact event match). Family-filtered search recovers Patterson-32389 Anne Jane (baptism-derived 1860, Ballyculter, father David miner) and Patterson-14390 Annie 1858 (unsourced Ontario tree, father David): retain both as weak candidates, with reported ages, father occupations and locality differences explicit. Those differences alone do not prove incompatible life courses.
• Patterson-14390 — The inspected 1886 register proves Annie Patterson age 20, daughter of David Patterson farmer, marrying grocer John Elder (Elder-5907 exact event match). Family-filtered search recovers Patterson-32389 Anne Jane (baptism-derived 1860, Ballyculter, father David miner) and Patterson-14390 Annie 1858 (unsourced Ontario tree, father David): retain both as weak candidates, with reported ages, father occupations and locality differences explicit. Those differences alone do not prove incompatible life courses.

Next identity test: Inspect candidate life records and Annie’s original birth/1911 household; do not create an orphan bride while these candidates remain plausible.

== Biography ==

A reproduced Second Portglenone Presbyterian marriage list records John Elder, full-age bachelor of Rasharkin, marrying Annie Patterson, aged 20, on 12 May 1886. John's father is recorded as John Elder, farmer; Annie's father as David Patterson, farmer.<ref>Second Portglenone Presbyterian civil marriage 1886; https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10833/5951328.pdf; printed page 53; PDF page 1; entry 86. Original register or Form A inspected on 30 September 2026; source-specific image and entry references supplied. Profile identities and cross-record continuity remain qualified where stated.</ref>

== Research Notes ==

The inspected 1886 register proves Annie Patterson age 20, daughter of David Patterson farmer, marrying grocer John Elder (Elder-5907 exact event match). Family-filtered search recovers Patterson-32389 Anne Jane (baptism-derived 1860, Ballyculter, father David miner) and Patterson-14390 Annie 1858 (unsourced Ontario tree, father David): retain both as weak candidates, with reported ages, father occupations and locality differences explicit. Those differences alone do not prove incompatible life courses.

Possible profile identities: [[Patterson-32389]], [[Patterson-14390]].

Next research: Inspect candidate life records and Annie’s original birth/1911 household; do not create an orphan bride while these candidates remain plausible.

== Sources ==

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Peggy Stuart

HOLD — compatible profile linked — Stuart-11578 remains an undated Antrim candidate; father James in that profile is a lead, not proved by the witness James Stuart in 1842. Stewart-53456 is now concretely excluded: her original 1848 marriage calls her SPINSTER, inconsistent with being John Elder’s 1842 wife. Preserve the separate 1842 subject.

Record fields: Name Peggy Stuart; birthplace unknown. Birth date remains unknown unless explicitly stated in the record facts below. Stuart-11578 remains an undated Antrim candidate; father James in that profile is a lead, not proved by the witness James Stuart in 1842. Stewart-53456 is now concretely excluded: her original 1848 marriage calls her SPINSTER, inconsistent with being John Elder’s 1842 wife. Preserve the separate 1842 subject.

A reproduced Second Portglenone Presbyterian marriage list records John Elder of Gortrechy marrying Peggy Stuart of Killycuggin on 7 April 1842. The witnesses were James Ray and James Stuart. RootsChat, Elder, Murdoch & McMeekin Families

Compatible WikiTree candidates

• Stuart-11578 — Current public profile compared; Stuart-11578 represents an undated County Antrim Margaret, daughter of James Stuart and Grace Lynd, compatible with Peggy Stuart in 1842 and witness James Stuart, but not proved the same family. Stewart-53456, born about 1823, married James Taggart at Ballywillen in 1848 and later lived at Culbrim. Without marital-status evidence, a later different husband does not exclude an earlier Elder marriage in 1842. Both are weak candidates. Profile birth 0000-00-00, death 1870-02-11; qualifiers retained in the review.

Next identity test: Inspect the original 1842 church register and original life records for Stuart-11578.

== Biography ==

A reproduced Second Portglenone Presbyterian marriage list records John Elder of Gortrechy marrying Peggy Stuart of Killycuggin on 7 April 1842. The witnesses were James Ray and James Stuart.<ref>RootsChat, Elder, Murdoch & McMeekin Families; https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=214109.0; . It establishes an earlier Elder household in the same local area and supplies names for future church and civil-record tracing, but it does not identify John as an ancestor of Robert Elder; Robert's 1871 marriage names his father as Nathaniel Elder. The source is a secondary transcription and the original register remains to be inspected.</ref>

== Research Notes ==

Stuart-11578 remains an undated Antrim candidate; father James in that profile is a lead, not proved by the witness James Stuart in 1842. Stewart-53456 is now concretely excluded: her original 1848 marriage calls her SPINSTER, inconsistent with being John Elder’s 1842 wife. Preserve the separate 1842 subject.

Possible profile identities: [[Stuart-11578]].

Next research: Inspect the original 1842 church register and original life records for Stuart-11578.

== Sources ==

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