Researched biography · Glasgow-3262
Jonat (Glasgow) Menzeis
c. 1585
Mid Calder, West Lothian, Scotland
About Jonat
The leading new identity comparison is with Jonet Glasgow, wife of Martin Ramsy (Glasgow-3183). This profile's 1609 Mid Calder baptism names Jonat Glasgow with David Menzeis; the 1624 Mid Calder marriage names a Jonet Glasgow with Martin Ramsy. One woman could have remarried in the intervening fifteen years, but no reviewed record proves David's death or calls the Ramsy bride his widow. Keep the profiles separate while testing that first marriage's end. If the women are one, the separate probable identification of Glasgow-3183 with Andrew of Corsoun's testament daughter would also affect this profile's parentage; that is a chain of inferences, not a proved father link.
Connected pages
Other pages on this site that name Jonat (Glasgow) Menzeis: family studies, places, source pages and other people's research.
Family and study pages 2 pages
A study page may discuss this person without placing them in that family.
Places 1 place
Sources 3 source pages
Mentioned in other people's research 2 people
- Janet Glasgow1 section of notes
- Ninian Glasgow1 section of notes
What the research found
Summary of the research
Overall conclusion
Ninian Glasgow (Glasgow-3188) and Jonet Meik (Meik-14) remain an alternative working parent pair, without a direct relationship statement.
Ninian and Jonet are the correct generation; the daughter's forename Jonat
repeats her proposed mother's name. Jonat and David Menzeis had daughter Agnes
baptised at Mid Calder on 7 December 1609. Ninian's possible son William later
lived at Leith, supplying a credible family route east from Glasgow into the
Lothians. Jonet Meik's 1607 testament directly names son Robert and a Marion
Glasgow legatee, but does not call Jonat a daughter; that omission prevents a
confident edge but does not prove she was not an older or married daughter.
Assessment: identity and parentage unresolved. The Mid Calder continuity is a stronger testable lead than the earlier name-and-craft based Ninian/Jonet placement, but neither relationship is ready for a structured parent link.
Live-state check, 27 September 2026: Jonat's WikiTree profile has no structured parents. A stale local catalogue export had displayed Ninian as her father; the refreshed live profile explicitly records both parents as unknown. The proposed Ninian–Jonet placement remains a research hypothesis, not a tree attachment or a record-proved relationship.
What the records show
Source findings
| Source | Finding | Assessment |
|---|---|---|
| Captured WikiTree profile | No father is attached and the captured profile supplies no cited relational record identifying one. | Negative parentage result. |
| Scotland's People, Mid Calder OPR 694/10/15, cited on the profiles of Jonat, David and Agnes | Agnes Menzeis, daughter of David Menzeis and Jonat Glasgow, was baptised 7 December 1609 at Mid Calder. | Direct parental-couple and locality evidence; no grandparents. |
| NRS CC9/7/5, testament of Jonet Meik, 1607 | Directly names Robert Glasgow as her son and Marion Glasgow as a legatee, without identifying Jonat. | Establishes the proposed mother's household but not this daughter. |
| FamilySearch marriage index XY9X-4PR; Scotland's People OPR 694/10/47, 23 March 1624 | A Jonet Glasgow married Martin Ramsy at Mid Calder. | Same uncommon name and parish as the 1609 mother; remarriage possible, not proved. |
Identity and family
Next identity test
Inspect the original Mid Calder 1609 baptism and 1624 marriage entries for designations, witnesses and marriage status. Seek a death, testament or later record for David Menzeis between 1609 and 1624. Compare the same persons and households, not merely the two indexed names. Glasgow-3183's managed live biography now links this candidate and explains the unresolved first marriage; Glasgow-3262 remains managed by another WikiTree member and was not edited.
Family and relationships
Unless a link is marked otherwise, the family links below come from the WikiTree family tree and have not yet been checked against original records.
How to read the evidence What “Documented”, “Probable”, “Possible” and “Unassessed tree link” mean.
Parents 1Ninian Glasgowc. 1550–after 8 May 1613
| Person and dates | Relationship | Current assessment | Why this relationship is shown |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ninian Glasgow c. 1550–after 8 May 1613 | father | Possible father | The maintained research assesses this relationship; the linked record and qualification explain what is established. |
Spouse or partner 1David MenzeisDates not established
| Person and dates | Relationship | Current assessment | Why this relationship is shown |
|---|---|---|---|
| David Menzeis Dates not established | spouse | Unassessed partner link | From the family tree; not yet checked against records. |
Children 1Agnes MenzeisDates not established
| Person and dates | Relationship | Current assessment | Why this relationship is shown |
|---|---|---|---|
| Agnes Menzeis Dates not established | child | Unassessed child link | From the family tree; not yet checked against records. |
Life and records
Explore the dated recordsChronology, roles and locations
Historical chronology
Profile-stated birthplace: Mid Calder, West Lothian, Scotland
Record association
Records mentioning this personRecord detail
The profile snapshot records this fact, but it is not an independent historical record; the linked historical evidence is assessed separately.
Birth
Subject
Life eventsSources
The only source so far is the WikiTree profile itselfReferences and source limitations
Profile-stated birthplace: Mid Calder, West Lothian, Scotland
b. 1585 · Mid Calder · Source association
The profile snapshot records this fact, but it is not an independent historical record; the linked historical evidence is assessed separately.
Each entry is a separately identified record. Shared URLs may represent one transcription or search page containing more than one record; they are not independent confirmations.
Original notes and downloadsNotes as written, replaced interpretations, comparisons and data exports
The material the page is built from: research notes as originally written, earlier interpretations that have been replaced, automated comparisons and data downloads. The account above is the current one; nothing here overrides it.
Research notes as originally written
Current conclusion
The leading new identity comparison is with [Jonet Glasgow, wife of Martin Ramsy (Glasgow-3183)](https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Glasgow-3183). This profile's 1609 Mid Calder baptism names Jonat Glasgow with David Menzeis; the 1624 Mid Calder marriage names a Jonet Glasgow with Martin Ramsy. One woman could have remarried in the intervening fifteen years, but no reviewed record proves David's death or calls the Ramsy bride his widow. Keep the profiles separate while testing that first marriage's end. If the women are one, the separate probable identification of Glasgow-3183 with Andrew of Corsoun's testament daughter would also affect this profile's parentage; that is a chain of inferences, not a proved father link. [Ninian Glasgow (Glasgow-3188)](https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Glasgow-3188) and [Jonet Meik (Meik-14)](https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Meik-14) remain an alternative working parent pair, without a direct relationship statement. Ninian and Jonet are the correct generation; the daughter's forename `Jonat` repeats her proposed mother's name. Jonat and David Menzeis had daughter Agnes baptised at Mid Calder on 7 December 1609. Ninian's possible son William later lived at Leith, supplying a credible family route east from Glasgow into the Lothians. Jonet Meik's 1607 testament directly names son Robert and a Marion Glasgow legatee, but does not call Jonat a daughter; that omission prevents a confident edge but does not prove she was not an older or married daughter. Assessment: **identity and parentage unresolved**. The Mid Calder continuity is a stronger testable lead than the earlier name-and-craft based Ninian/Jonet placement, but neither relationship is ready for a structured parent link. **Live-state check, 27 September 2026:** Jonat's WikiTree profile has no structured parents. A stale local catalogue export had displayed Ninian as her father; the refreshed live profile explicitly records both parents as unknown. The proposed Ninian–Jonet placement remains a research hypothesis, not a tree attachment or a record-proved relationship.
Source findings
| Source | Finding | Assessment | | --- | --- | --- | | [Captured WikiTree profile](https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Glasgow-3262) | No father is attached and the captured profile supplies no cited relational record identifying one. | Negative parentage result. | | Scotland's People, Mid Calder OPR 694/10/15, cited on the profiles of Jonat, David and Agnes | Agnes Menzeis, daughter of David Menzeis and Jonat Glasgow, was baptised 7 December 1609 at Mid Calder. | Direct parental-couple and locality evidence; no grandparents. | | NRS CC9/7/5, testament of Jonet Meik, 1607 | Directly names Robert Glasgow as her son and Marion Glasgow as a legatee, without identifying Jonat. | Establishes the proposed mother's household but not this daughter. | | [FamilySearch marriage index XY9X-4PR](https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY9X-4PR); Scotland's People OPR 694/10/47, 23 March 1624 | A Jonet Glasgow married Martin Ramsy at Mid Calder. | Same uncommon name and parish as the 1609 mother; remarriage possible, not proved. |
Next identity test
Inspect the original Mid Calder 1609 baptism and 1624 marriage entries for designations, witnesses and marriage status. Seek a death, testament or later record for David Menzeis between 1609 and 1624. Compare the same persons and households, not merely the two indexed names. Glasgow-3183's managed live biography now links this candidate and explains the unresolved first marriage; Glasgow-3262 remains managed by another WikiTree member and was not edited.
Automated parent comparison (research aid, not a recommendation)
Stored scores are preserved for audit only. They are not probabilities or genealogical evidence, and a reviewed exclusion remains excluded.
- Jonet (Meik) Glasgow: 39/100 · Stored classification: weak lead
- Andrew Glasgow: 39/100 · Stored classification: weak lead
- Elizat Stevinsoun: 18/100 · Stored classification: weak lead
- Jonet (Hutcheson) Glasgow: 16/100 · Stored classification: weak lead
- Agnes WIlson: 1/100 · Stored classification: weak lead
- Margaret (Herbison) Glasgow: 13/100 · Stored classification: chronology-only fallback
- William Glasgow: 7/100 · Stored classification: chronology-only fallback
- Stephen Glasgow: 6/100 · Stored classification: chronology-only fallback
- John Glasgow: 0/100 · Stored classification: chronology-only fallback
- James Glasgow: 0/100 · Stored classification: chronology-only fallback
Research data and downloads
Person data (JSON) · Family network
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